Claim LD09-SL-C30 (v1.0)
In laboratory experiments, indiscriminate training of models over generations on data produced by earlier models caused “irreversible defects” in which the tails of the original data distribution disappear; in the preprint’s language-model experiment, keeping 10% of the original data led to only minor degradation.
Provenance and status
- Claim type
- Estimate
- Publication status
- Eligible for publication, with a qualifier
- Verification state
- Checked against the abstract of the primary source only. Who checked this claim is not recorded for it; claim checks so far were AI-led, and no person has checked claims against their sources.
- Does not license
- Any evidence about human knowledge or society; this is a laboratory result about models
- Limitations
- Journal version read in abstract, preprint in full; small models; data replaced rather than accumulated (see LD09-SL-C31); a 2025 Author Correction changes one notation in the theory section and no result
- Source (as cited)
- Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024
- Source type
- Peer-reviewed journal article (recorded as “Peer-reviewed journal article”)
- Institutional position
- Independent academic (University of Oxford and University of Cambridge-led)
- Maturity of the evidence
- Contested evidence
- Recorded date
- 15 October 2026
- Currentness / correction
- This is the current version. No correction or concern is recorded on its sources.
Sources this version cites
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All 25 canonical Claim fields, verbatim, with the coded values derived from them. The plain-language labels above are read from these.
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- Publication status (coded)
- ELIGIBLE (QUALIFIED) (as printed: “ELIGIBLE WITH QUALIFIER”)
- Verification state (coded)
- CONTENT_VERIFIED_PRIMARY (ABSTRACT_ONLY)
- Source type (coded)
- PEER_REVIEWED_JOURNAL_ARTICLE
- Maturity (coded)
- CONTESTED
| # | Canonical field | Canonical value (verbatim) | Normalized (Claim Value Vocabulary v1.0.2) |
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| 1 | CLAIM ID | LD09-SL-C30 | — |
| 2 | PUBLIC-FACING CLAIM | In laboratory experiments, indiscriminate training of models over generations on data produced by earlier models caused “irreversible defects” in which the tails of the original data distribution disappear; in the preprint’s language-model experiment, keeping 10% of the original data led to only minor degradation. | — |
| 3 | CLAIM TYPE | ESTIMATE | base_types: ESTIMATE |
| 4 | RESEARCH STRAND | C — Systems, decisions and shared knowledge | — |
| 5 | MATURITY | CONTESTED | states: CONTESTED |
| 6 | SOURCE | Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024 | source_ids: SRC-SL-SHUMAILOV-ET-AL-NATURE-2024 |
| 7 | SOURCE TYPE | Peer-reviewed journal article | classes: PEER_REVIEWED_JOURNAL_ARTICLE |
| 8 | INSTITUTIONAL POSITION | Independent academic (University of Oxford and University of Cambridge-led) | — |
| 9 | SCOPE | Generative models trained recursively on their own outputs, in the laboratory | — |
| 10 | DESIGN | Simulation and fine-tuning experiments over successive generations | — |
| 11 | SAMPLE / DATASET | Gaussian mixture models, variational autoencoders and a small language model fine-tuned on a Wikipedia-based dataset | — |
| 12 | MODEL / TOOL / VERSION | OPT-125m and simpler models | — |
| 13 | COMPARATOR | Training on original data | — |
| 14 | MAIN RESULT | Journal abstract: “indiscriminate use of model-generated content in training causes irreversible defects in the resulting models, in which tails of the original content distribution disappear”; preprint: perplexity degrades without original data, and keeping 10% of it leads to “only minor degradation” | — |
| 15 | INFERENTIAL TARGET | What happens to models when their training data are increasingly model-generated | — |
| 16 | DOES NOT LICENSE | Any evidence about human knowledge or society; this is a laboratory result about models | — |
| 17 | VERIFICATION STATE | CONTENT VERIFIED ABSTRACT | state: CONTENT_VERIFIED_PRIMARY · qualifiers: ABSTRACT_ONLY · verified_by: UNKNOWN |
| 18 | LIMITATIONS | Journal version read in abstract, preprint in full; small models; data replaced rather than accumulated (see LD09-SL-C31); a 2025 Author Correction changes one notation in the theory section and no result | — |
| 19 | CONTRADICTORY / SUPPORTING SOURCES | Accumulating data avoids collapse: LD09-SL-C31 | — |
| 20 | GEOGRAPHY / LANGUAGE | Not applicable / English | — |
| 21 | DISTRIBUTIONAL LEDGER | The rare parts of a distribution are lost first | — |
| 22 | R01 / FIELD-MAP LINKS | LD-09, D3 | — |
| 23 | WHAT WOULD CHANGE THIS CLAIM? | Evidence from training practice at scale | — |
| 24 | PUBLICATION STATUS | ELIGIBLE WITH QUALIFIER | state: ELIGIBLE · qualifiers: QUALIFIED |
| 25 | RECORDED DATE | 2026-10-15 | — |
Field 22 references resolved against Field Map v0.2: LD-09 (LIVING_DEBATE); D3 (DOMAIN)
The sources as recorded, with their record IDs and coded source types:
Pinned Sources (field 6, version-specific)
- “Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024” → Shumailov et al. (2024), “AI models collapse when trained…” (SRC-SL-SHUMAILOV-ET-AL-NATURE-2024--v1.0) — Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024; class PEER_REVIEWED_JOURNAL_ARTICLE (explicit public provenance pin)
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SocioLens project. (2026, October 15). In laboratory experiments, indiscriminate training of models over generations on data produced by earlier models caused “irreversible defects” in which the tails of the original data distribution disappear; in the preprint’s language-model experiment, keeping 10% of the original data led to only minor degradation [Claim LD09-SL-C30, version v1.0]. SocioLens. https://sociolens-web.pages.dev/claims/ld09-sl-c30/v1.0/
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Research-of-record provenance
Materialized by sociolens-materializer 0.6.0 at 2026-09-28T20:00:00.000Z; normalization contract SocioLens — Claim Value Vocabulary v1.0.2 — Pre-Spike Materialization Contract (v1.0.2). Content seal SHA-256 16e1f0ce8a0dfabb99c9e0170402f3f4f53bcc97479a66ff4dd78887a7c550f1.
Repository-authored inputs (not Drive exports)
- SocioLens claim — LD09-SL-C30 v1.0 (v1.0) — written in the SocioLens repository by Project Lead (Claude, AI) on 2026-10-15; no Drive identity exists. Authority: AGENTS.md "Authority" (the Project Lead decides research content within the research-integrity rules) and the Owner's choice in the SocioLens project chat on 15 October 2026 to build the LD-09 debate; a new Claim, first version, written from the project's LD-09 source notes, checked against full texts or official abstracts. Block “ENTRY 30 — LD09-SL-C30” SHA-256
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Builder decisions (not Drive data)
- VERSION = v1.0 — basis: Claim version taken from the repository-authored claim fixture version (SocioLens claim — LD09-SL-C30 v1.0); the first version of a new Claim of the LD-09 debate
- CURRENT_POINTER = true — basis: repository-authored claim "SocioLens claim — LD09-SL-C30 v1.0" (Project Lead (Claude, AI), 2026-10-15); basis: AGENTS.md "Authority" (the Project Lead decides research content within the research-integrity rules) and the Owner's choice in the SocioLens project chat on 15 October 2026 to build the LD-09 debate; a new Claim, first version, written from the project's LD-09 source notes, checked against full texts or official abstracts
- FIELD_6_SOURCE_REFERENCE = SRC-SL-SHUMAILOV-ET-AL-NATURE-2024--v1.0 — basis: field 6 of ENTRY 30 — LD09-SL-C30 cites "Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024"; the only field-6 segment of this ClaimVersion's repository-authored ledger block.
- SOURCE_PROVENANCE_PIN = SRC-SL-SHUMAILOV-ET-AL-NATURE-2024--v1.0 — basis: explicit version-pinned public provenance of this ClaimVersion (Amendment v1.2 §6): the pinned field-6 Source record "Shumailov, Shumaylov, Zhao, Papernot, Anderson & Gal, “AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data,” Nature 631, 2024".